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Hi guys and welcome to the official theories page for Station #12, The Shotglass. This page is designed for everyone to come and post theories and discuss other peoples ideas. This page is designed specifically for the more in depth theories, so please send them in to Toni The Shotglass podcast will be running on our myspace weekly, so any show thoughts, please send in to Niki Also, we have a spoilers page for those of you who can't wait, any spoilers PLEASE send to
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    Wednesday, January 28, 2009

    You have to find my mother...Her name is....

    ....Ms Hawking??? Possible I think. here's why.

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    The picture on brother Campbell's desk in 'Catch-22'

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    Desmond outside Oxford University in 'The Constant'

    Right...Just as Dan is about to say his mothers name, the island hops again. I think if it was someone we hadn't already come across, we may have heard the name. This led me to think it is someone we have already encountered on the show.

    Ms Hawking already has a link to Oxford, she is clearly seen in the picture with Brother Campbell on the desk in 'Catch-22'. Not just in Oxford, but at Oxford University at the exact same spot Desmond met Daniel the first time round.

    Dan is very knowledgeable on time travel, he doesn't just know how it works, he knows all the rules that go with jumping back through space and time, as does Ms Hawking. Perhaps he learnt some of what he knows from his mother?

    I know it isn't much to go on but these few little bits of information lead me to believe that Daniel Faraday's mother is the one and only time traveling Ms Hawking.

    Wednesday, July 16, 2008

    The O6 have to go back to course correct!

    Here is another of my own theories, let me know what you think


    As we know from the end of season 3 from Jack screaming at Kate and from the end of season 4 from Ben telling Jack, ALL of the 06 MUST return to the island to put right the ‘bad’ things that happened when they left.

    After watching some old episodes of LOST I have found a few things that have really made me think, made me think that the O6 have to not only go back to the island, but go back to the time of the crash.

    First thing: In ‘Solitary’ (Season 1 Episode 9) when Sayid is being held captive by Danielle, he says Nadia is dead.

    Danielle: But Nadia, you left her too?

    Sayid: She wasn’t on the plane. She’s dead… because of me.

    Now we all know Nadia is not dead. When Sayid flew from Sydney, he was under the impression that Nadia was alive and well in L.A working for a pharmaceutical company.

    Second thing: In ‘All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues’ (Season 1 Episode 11) When Jack and Kate are out looking for Charlie and Claire, this is part of the conversation…

    Jack: I’m not letting him (Ethan) do this.

    Kate: Not letting him?

    Jack: Not again.

    Now what is he talking about? I think that members of the O6 are having faint momentary memories from things they know now in the future. I think Sayid is subconsciously aware that Nadia is dead in the future but he doesn’t fully remember. He is getting his memory from the future mixed up with his present memories.

    As for Jacks little rant, again I think he is faintly remembering Ethan kidnapping Claire and Charlie first time round and is saying that he wont let him (Ethan) do it again, which is also why he is so intent on finding Ethan quickly…. He knows the outcome!

    I think that the O6 must go back in time to the time of the crash, this is why all of them have to go back. They must travel back in time and course correct (not leave the island) to avoid the ‘bad’ things happening when they leave. I also think this is how Ben will get his place back on the island. If the O6 DO go back, then Ben will still be on the island. Ben hasn’t told Jack he must go back for the islands well being, he has told him so that it would be like he never turned the frozen donkey wheel in the first place.


    Toni

    Wednesday, June 4, 2008

    Mind Blowing!

    Sent in by The Hatch resident theory machine KEEPING PACE!! Be warned its a BIG one!!


    Well, it's official... the Season 4 finale of LOST was mind-blowing!!! "There's No Place Like Home" was just what we needed to pose tantalizing new questions for us to ponder during another 8 month hiatus, but it also answered some very longstanding questions... namely the whole polar bear conundrum that's been puzzling us since the VERY FIRST EPISODE of the series!

    Now some of you make think I'm daft for seeing solutions wrapped in that enigma of an episode, but certain revelatory moments got me thinking the day after, and I believe that these may be some quite deft observations. Hear me out.

    After nearly a whole year's worth of setup since the Orchid video was released at Comic-Con 2007, we finally made it to DHARMA's Orchid station proper. It was confirmed once and for all that the station involved experiments in travel through space and time (so called "four dimensional space"), and after Ben blew up the Vault by sticking many forks in the metaphorical microwave he took the dharka and descended into the frozen underground of the Island. Based on our friend Dr. Halliwax's description of "negatively charged exotic matter" in the orientation, the existence of the dharka for no apparent cold climes on the Island, and a similar situation we'd seen with the Swan station (where DHARMA tapped into forces greater than their understanding), we know our favorite Initiative had gone to this seemingly secret lair and just like the electromagnetic forces beneath what we used to call the Hatch, couldn't resist tapping into this mind boggling force for the sake of scientific research. Upon biting off more than they could chew or deciding to play it safe, the Initiative built the dummy greenhouse, used the story of a "botanical research facility" in an effort to keep secrecy, and put the Orchid station well below ground, using the Vault to seal off the freezer and downgrade to smaller scale "silly experiments" involving "time traveling bunnies."

    But WHAT ON EARTH does this have to do with polar bears?!? Well, think waaaaay back. Based on the cages from Kate and Sawyer's incarceration at the Hydra station (on the OTHER island), we know that DHARMA brought the bears there for some sort of experimentation. According to the blast door map in the Swan, supposedly it was to genetically tamper with them — to see if science could influence evolution so that the bears could acclimate to the drastic change in environment. But now that we think of it, wasn't that feeding system a little complex? I'd argue that they were training our non-rabbit furry white friends for something more, and as Charlie pointed out in one of his conversations with Locke, polar bears "are like the Einsteins of the bear community," (Further Instructions). What were they being trained for, then? Well, the finale showed us the subterranean ice cavern which contained what will forever be known as the "frozen donkey wheel"... the mechanism used to "move" the Island. Knowing that behind that crank was all that "exotic matter" and not wanting to put a human to the task of making that wheel of uncertain fate turn, what's the next best option to be able to see what it will do? Like sending monkeys into space, the polar bears were a natural choice as animal test subjects.

    Think about it... Polar bears have natural dharkas (a.k.a. fur) that would allow them to stand the freezing cold bowels of that chamber which was not too dissimilar to the climate they live(d) in. And they're smart enough to figure out a complex feeding contraption, so they'd be able to learn how to turn a wheel. Oh, and did you see how long and hard Ben had to struggle (even with the leverage the crowbar provided) before he got that thing to move? Three words: polar bear strength. Now, for those of you who are skeptical, I'm not suggesting that the bears necessarily used the same ladders that Ben did in getting down to that chamber. I'm sure that, before the Orchid was finished and the Vault became the final seal between the station and that icebox, there was an easier, less steep way down there. Whatever the case, the higher ups of DHARMA, Halliwax included, were actually planning to use the polar bears to push that wheel of all frozen wheels below what became the Orchid from the start. And, furthermore, they succeeded.

    We know at least one test subject was used... landing in the Tunisian desert just as Ben did after his spin (The Shape of Thing to Come), eventually becoming the skeleton that we saw Charlotte with in her desert digging flashback (Confirmed Dead). Along with the bear bones she found a DHARMA collar with the Hydra logo, proving that either Sawyer or Kate was kept where our time traveler had once called home. A possible explanation for why the wheel-turners keep winding up in the Tunisian desert: maybe each spoke (and the amount of turning before touching the other side) corresponds to somewhere different, and Ben chose the same as his predecessor.

    That leads us to the next tantalizing deduction. If DHARMA used a polar bear to experiment with turning the FDW, and it wound up in Tunisia a la Ben, that can only mean that DHARMA previously moved the Island!!! I think they themselves were responsible for it being located in the South Pacific as it was for all of Seasons 1-4, and that when it appeared there it put the Black Rock inland where Rousseau and our Lostaways found it. It has been brought to my attention that the ship seemed to have virtually no wood rot or remains of sea life in it, and that the nature of the bodies and dynamite inside was such that the Black Rock was not an underwater wreck for a century and a half and simply lifted up by the Island. However, with the newly revealed time traveling nature of our favorite archipelago, there are still a few plausible scenarios I can think of that would accomplish getting that slaver inland. I'll lay out the two I can think of here and let you decide if it's one, the other, or some combination:

    1) The Island went back in time to when the Black Rock was still sailing, and it just ran aground when the Island appeared beneath it; the only elements it's been exposed to are from the jungle clime, and it didn't rot or even go underwater in the first place. This would seem to be borne out by the blooper video we've seen from the Orchid, in which the lab assistant seems to be talking about sending the rabbit test subject into the past (saying the machine was set to "negative 20") — the only conceivable way that two bunny #15's appeared in nearly the same spot, and why Halliwax freaked about them not touching… wanting to avoid some sort of reverb from the timeline that would have disastrous effects. While this scenario is much more believable based on the recent evidence of the show, and may well be the route the writers take as an explanation, I'm hesitant of the idea of using the Island or even the Island itself traveling back in time due to how Damon and Carlton have described not wanting to deal with the whole Grandfather paradox.

    They have deftly avoided such possible conflicts thus far by making Desmond and others' time travel a consciousness-only affair, and by placing time cops like Ms. Hawking (and perhaps Brother Campbell) in the timestream to talk about how the universe course corrects. (An aside: One thing that's bugged me for some time now is that many people complain that "if the universe will course correct then why does one of our characters have to act?" Nobody seems to consider that the universe is course correcting as it needs to via the thought popping into that person's head that they need to take action. Seriously, HAS NO ONE THOUGHT that in the same way the Island doesn't allow things to happen to you while you "still [have] work to do," maybe the universe ENSURES something happens in a similar way?!?!?)

    The only way to wholly avoid the Grandfather paradox and other such conflicts when dealing with travel through both time and space [read: a whole person time traveling] is to make that jump only able to go forward, having the traveler miss the time it takes to get there and then appearing wherever they end up, only able to affect the future from then on just like we do in the here and now. The future becomes that person's present and they have no way of going back to the time they came from.

    If DHARMA made the Island go back in time to the South Pacific and the Black Rock run aground, that would also potentially create a problem of how they were still there when our 815ers crashed… unless of course DHARMA decided to use the extra time they'd gotten to keep performing their experiments and waited it out rather than turn the wheel of fate again and take their chances…

    While Ms. Hawking & co. could be evidence of traveling back to the past and have demonstrated some weight behind the course correction she points to, I think that only when we get to her time (maybe some flash forwards in Seasons 5 or perhaps a big reveal in Season 6) will anyone be able to figure out how to turn back the clock, and safely.


    2) My other scenario is one that seems to fit right into what we've seen on Lost, and was inspired in part by something Toni said while we were chatting, so this next bit of madness is due in part to her. We have yet to see what happens to the people on the Island when it time warps (though hopefully we'll get their perspective sometime next season… hopefully at the beginning). Maybe the Island goes through something much like a wormhole, but somehow interacts with other things in the timestream and picks up hitchhikers along the way. Or, even more tantalizing… What if the Island time traveled during or shortly after the INCIDENT?!?

    We can now basically surmise (thanks to the words of Darlton from the podcasts and Access: Granted) that the Incident occurred when DHARMA drilled down into the depths of the Island to try and tap into the electromagnetic source they detected, and that in doing so they unleashed some massive EM. EM that probably created the Island's first ever purple sky, which in turn caused them to put the Swan station on top in an effort to cork their mistake and let the thing rev up for the smaller, more harmless increment of every 108 minutes before restarting the process. If, after that initial screw up, the Island became unstuck in time just like it did when Des turned the failsafe and obliterated the Hatch, and THEN the whole Island traveled through time… well, it's conceivable that, even if it landed in the spot where it was until recently, it would be blinking in and out of existence in other times as well. Sound like any ghostship stories you know?

    The Initiative messes around with both EMs — electromagnetism and exotic matter — and winds up in the South Pacific but not knowing when. *Blink* The Black Rock suddenly appears inland and runs aground… *Blink* Unstuck in time, the Island keeps jumping around and people get the Sickness from not having constants… *Blink* … until DHARMA finally puts a lid on things and our favorite geodesic dome is there to house the computer (which from then on becomes the key to keeping the Island WHEN it's supposed to be and preventing planes from falling out of the sky). 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42... EXECUTE… And we're back to DHARMA's current time. The Numbers act as a constant for the members of the Initiative, keeping everything put until the Purge wipes out all those remaining who didn't switch over to the Others. Radzinsky, last surviving member of the pre-Purge DHARMA Initiative, recruits Kelvin Inman, and he and his buddy keep pushing the buttons down in the Swan.

    Flash forward. Libby mysteriously gives Desmond her husband's boat and he sails in the race Widmore has designed so that hundreds of people are sent sailing around the world in order for someone to find the Island. Not knowing the exact bearing to travel to and fro, when he is knocked out from being tossed on the waves he washes up on the Island shore dazed and confused. Kelvin trains Des to punch in the Numbers down there in the Hatch and plans to split, his faith lost in what Radzinsky taught him after his hazmat suit rips and he doesn't get the Sickness. He fails to explain the importance of the Numbers because he doesn't believe anymore, and thereby leaves the task to a man for whom they have no value or meaning except in keeping him slave to button pushing and far away from his beloved Penny for 3 some-odd years. Kelvin dons the hazmat suit and tries to depart in The Elizabeth, and Des, not believing in the importance of saving the world for the next 108 minutes anymore, follows him. The two struggle and Kelvin is accidentally killed, and in an instant Desmond suddenly worries about what else Kelvin never told him, running back to the Swan. But he's too late. It's been over 108 minutes, the timer has lapsed past zero and now reads "Underworld" in ancient Egyptian, indicating that if somebody doesn't do something we're all gonna die.

    SYSTEM FAILURE SYSTEM FAILURE SYSTEM FAILURE… The EM discharges and hits Flight 815, stressing it enough to rip into three pieces. Beneath the Swan, the huge electromagnet below recharges, pulling anything metal (including what's left of Oceanic) furiously toward it. Des enters the Numbers frantically: 4, 8, 15, 15, 23, 42… EXECUTE… and everything powers down. Flight 815, now thru the barriers of the Island and much closer to ground, decelerates and goes back into free fall. WHAM!!!

    With Widmore's comments on how the Island used to be/still is his, I have a sneaking suspicion that either a) he was a joint partner with Hanso, b) was the on-Island manager of the Initiative, or some combination of the two. Either way, since the Island moved and the Purge occurred he's not been able to find it, until of course he explores the relation to the Black Rock that he somehow knows about. Widmore buys the ship's ledger at the Southfields auction that a consciousness-jarred Desmond witnesses in 1996 (The Constant), and from it he gleans enough about the location to send his motley crew and mercenaries on the Freighter… But not before having successfully planted a staged wreck of Oceanic 815 where he could claim he was searching for the Black Rock: in the Sunda Trench.

    There ya have it... Polar bears and the Island's tumultuous recent past. But I'd be remiss if I said that's all I thought of TNPLH. In all honesty, I keep returning to that Frozen Donkey Wheel, and those of you who listen to the official podcasts from Darlton know why. In previous seasons Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse (exec producers, writers, and the co-creator/show runner of the show, respectively) gave us the codename of the secret/momentous scene in the finales: "the Bagel" (Season 1), "the Challah" (Season 2), and "the Snake in the Mailbox" (Season 3's mindf*ck of a flash forward reveal). This year's finale, however, they practically handed the moment to us on a silver platter with "the Frozen Donkey Wheel," since that was, quite literally, what we saw used as the device to move the Island. Being the masterminds that they are, and seeing how amazingly genius it was to dare hiding that moment in plain sight, I began to re-evaluate some of the other statements that the dynamic duo have made publicly about LOST to see if anything else jumped out at me. Lo and behold, after seeing all the sci-fi that this show exudes, I have to point to what Darlton have called the series time and time again. Whenever the issue of canonicity has come up, the show itself has been referred to as the "Mothership."

    Now, I know what you're all thinking: the Island being an alien spaceship was a theory debunked by Damon ages ago. Normally I would agree with you and move on, but consider for a moment that The Powers That Be initially denied Aaron being a member of the Oceanic 6, leading to wild speculation about who the final member was right up until a promotional clip from ABC revealed him to actually count. The writers and show makers wouldn't just acknowledge if someone figured out a key element of the series, plain and simple. They've said it themselves, and this has been further proven by the fan inspired theories reviewed by Darlton, where the two have picked and rated the speculation of fans not based on accuracy, but rather imagination. (Just look up "What is the Smoke Monster?" on Yahoo Answers and see who they picked out of 8,000 some-odd results, as well as their own comments on the matter… not to mention their more recent U.S. Weekly theory ratings.)

    In this latest installment of the show, Locke specifically said "It isn't an Island…" to Jack. And though John may not know what it truly is (yet), or simply have called it "a place where miracles happen," I bet he's right about that first bit. Which brings us back to the Mothership. If the "Island" is really an alien spaceship which crashed on Earth in ancient, possibly even prehistoric times, that would explain quite a lot, to tell the truth. All the earthly vegetation and such could have built up on it from being derelict for so long, effectively masking the ship as the Island we've come to know and love. It would allow for various cultures [read: the Hostiles/Others] to have come across it and made it their home or some holy site, which would account for what appears to be the ancient evidence of human culture: the Ruins, the door to Ben's Smokey-Summoning Chamber, and perhaps even the Temple and Four-toed Statue). Or maybe those things are part of the initial structure and were intentionally ancient-looking.



    And as it was so astutely pointed out to me, Darlton, when pressed for the location of the series ending, said "Somewhere just outside the Crab Nebula is where it will all end, geographically." (The Crab Nebula, incidentally, seems to tie into some recent themes and characters of Lost… most notably in the form of Rudolf Minkowski — nephew of the space-time theorist Hermann Minkowski who our George was a nod to — discovering the star responsible for the nebula and noting that it had an extremely unusual optical spectrum, an observation eerily reminiscent of Daniel Faraday's comment: "The light… It just doesn't scatter quite right here, does it?"). More importantly, though, a spaceship would give precedence for if not explain much of the otherworldly things like the electromagnetism and time travel-causing negatively charged exotic matter.



    I dunno about the rest of you, but Ben cranking that wheel definitely sounded like it started something like turbines to me. Can you say propulsion system? And don't even try to deny that the smoke monster has been acting very similarly to the alien(s) of the "The Abyss" — (for those who don't know, in the movie there was an alien made out of what seemed to be a column of water that began to mimic human form when one of the characters touched it, which afterward projected images of humanity's barbarism to a hero in his final moments and then reanimated him for sacrificing himself to save its kind. Change the water to smoke. Sound familiar?) Jacob could even possibly be the last surviving member of the original crew suffering the time-ravaging affects of the crash, or maybe the ship's malfunctioning AI navigation; a holographic representation (in human form) that's actually the ship's systems. Comparisons with Rommie from TV's "Andromeda" come to mind, though Lexa Doig is much more fetching than our ghostly cabin misanthrope.



    I concede that it's entirely possible that what I have deemed "alien" is simply from far into our own human future — so far in the future that it seems alien — in which case Ms. Hawking and the other enforcers of time would be the people responsible for the Island, explaining and giving credence to her cryptic words to Desmond: "If you don't [push that button], all of us are dead."

    That's all I've got so far, as if that isn't enough… but when I think of more I'll let you all know. Take of this what you will, but rest assured that at very least the polar bears are a mystery solved, and be confident in the knowledge that DHARMA moved the Island to the Black Rock's location, which Widmore used to track it down in the South Pacific. Whether you believe the rest of this and buy into an alien/future human explanation, one thing is certain: we now know that many of the mystical and mythical elements of the show come from the bowels of the Island. The electromagnetism emanating from beneath the Swan, exotic matter far below the Orchid, and the tunnels/vents that are used to summon/release Smokey are all deep, dark secrets indicating that, if nothing else, the knowledge of what we're dealing with will only be revealed by either taking a leap of faith or digging for answers...

    Friday, April 25, 2008

    The Shape Of Things To Come

    My own thoughts on this weeks AMAZING episode

    First thought is obviously Mr Smokie…. I think Ben is definitely controlling him or at least has the ability to summon him. I also think this is the reason smokie never put Locke in real danger, it never attacked him…..just tried to take him. I think this was Ben’s first attempt at getting Locke to join him. When this failed he went in to the Losties camp as ‘Henry Gale’. My other thought is about the visions Mr Eko had, I think these may have been somehow programmed into smokie by Ben. Remember he knows everything about everyone. This may been a way for Ben to make Eko unafraid of Smokie. I also think that The Tempest station has a lot to do with smokie…. I’m not sure what exactly yet, but if we remember that the gas was supposed to be released onto the island via tunnels…and it was one of those tunnels that smokie tried to drag Locke into. I’m thinking maybe smokie is a product of the Tempest.

    Second thoughts are on Widmore and Ben…… I’m still sure that WIDMORE is the bad guy and Ben is a good guy. When Widmore said the island was his, it made me think that perhaps Widmore/Hanso are the same family or related in some way. I think Ben cant kill Widmore as Widmore has the money Ben needs to keep the island going. Widmore cant kill Ben as he knows where the island is and he doesn’t. I think without really wanting to, they are working together. Ben needs Widmores money and Widmore needs Ben’s knowledge of the island. I really think that Ben is still the good guy, all he wants to do is stop the island being exploited. Remember, Ben has a special bond with the island, it’s the only place he has seen his mother, its where he made his best friend in the world, so there is no reason for him to want any harm to come to the island. I don’t actually think that Ben will go ahead and have Penny killed. I think what he said about not killing innocents is what he means. I don’t think for a second he is evil enough to kill Penny out of revenge for Alex.

    Now on to Doctor Ray…. This was a bit strange for me. As we know, in the Economist, when Regina sent the rocket to the island, the island was 31 minutes behind the freighter, BUT, when Doctor Ray is washed up on the shore, he is still fine on the freighter. This would mean, at THAT time, the freighter is behind the island. This kinda doesn’t make any sense to me at all.

    Onto the whole Sayid/Nadia/Ben situation…. I know A LOT of people think that Ben has had Nadia killed to get Sayid on his side. I DON’T. Ben knows what it’s like to lose the only person you love, I don’t think he would put that pain on Sayid, not even if it was 100% for his own benefit. I am still gonna stand by my theory that Sayid is working for Ben because Widmore had Nadia killed, or perhaps someone involved with Widmore killed her. I think Ben has just seen this as an opportunity to manipulate Sayid into doing his dirty work. But I also think that Sayid will now want to wipe out everyone involved with Widmore.

    Danielle…. This is more what I am hoping will happen. I want to see hre come back and kick some Widmore ass for Alex’s death. I think she is a tough old bird and I really hope she isn’t dead, we need to see more of her story.

    Wednesday, April 23, 2008

    Not so much a theory...Just thoughts

    About who shot Karl and Danielle

    Like a lot of people I'm torn between who shot Karl and Danielle.

    The way I see it there are 2 possible options, Ben or The Freighties.

    Ben......

    Ben's motive for having them both killed is that a) He doesn't want ANYONE to be involved in Alex's life other than himself. If both Karl and Danielle are dead, the only person Alex will have to turn to is him. b) He doesn't want Karl to get Alex pregnant. My bigger thought on why it was Ben is this.... He said that the temple was only for 'The Others' NOT for the Losties to hide away from anyone who may be out to harm them. Danielle is clearly not 'an other' Karl... well I don't think that Ben would want to protect him in any way at all. So why would he suggest that Danielle and Karl take her there?

    The Freighties......

    The Freighties is another obvious one. If the freighties wanted to get to Ben, what would be the easiest way of getting him oput of hiding? Kidnap his 'daughter'. They have no need for Danielle or Karl so just shoot them both...less baggage. We know that Frank has been sent on some kind of mission, which gives us the idea that maybe his mission is to go and get Alex.


    I really am torn as to who has done this. I'm more inclined to say Ben had ordered 'The Others' to do it.

    But as we are talking about LOST, there is always the possibility that it's SOMEONE ELSE who ordered it.

    Saturday, April 12, 2008

    Frank, Mike and the Captain

    Its been a while since my last theory posting session, so I thought I would ease back into it with a short, easy theory on Michael, Frank and Captain Gault.

    When Michael first boards the freighter, Miles says that he isn't who he says he is. This seemed at first like an off-hand comment by Miles, but it soon got me to thinking, especially after the conversation between Mike and Frank.

    Micael is of no importance on the boat, so it seemed VERY strange to me that Frank would start telling him details of how someone has planted a fake 815. But it was his last comment on the possibility of finding survivors that struck me as most strange.

    Frank knew the manifest inside out, he said so himself when he informed everyone that Juliet wasn't on the flight. I think he knows that Mike WAS on flight 815. When the freighties get to the island and find survivors, NONE of them seem genuinely surprised to find that so many people have survived a plane crash, not only ANY plane crash, but a plane that was found under the sea. This is a point that is made by Sayid to Miles, who repiled with his usual sarcasm and wit.

    To further this thought, when Sayid tells Captain Gault that Mike is in fact a spy for Ben, he doesn't seem the SLIGHTEST bit surprised. This also leads me to think that Frank knows Mike was on flight 815 and has told the captain.

    Friday, March 14, 2008

    Spoon's Theory on the O6

    Spoon's thoughts on why the O6 are the ones who leave the island

    Why the Oceanic 6?
    So why is it the Oceanic 6? What happened to the other 815ers? What have we yet to see? These are answers I, sadly, do not have. But I will try and shed some light on what we have seen so far.

    Remaining Two
    So far it has been revealed (as of The Other Woman) that Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sayid are part of the Oceanic 6…..remember those names. What is it about these four that led them off the island? It seems, especially on Lost, that the explanations could be limitless, however, I believe there is a rhyme and reason to whom and more importantly why the Oceanic 6 came to be. First thing’s first, the final two. …It is in my opinion that the final two members of the O6 are Jin and Sun. Uneventful Iknow but hopefully the WHY will change that.

    The WHY
    Now for the good stuff….the why. Why are Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, & Jin the Oceanic 6? Why only them? In the simplest explanation…..they are the only ones who even have the ability. Why? (Man there are a lot of “whys” when it comes to Lost). Two words: The Swan. In The Constant, we learned that exposure to electromagnetism / radiation could cause “side-effects” while traveling to and from the island; those side-effects of course referring to the mind/consciousness flashing through time. I don’t have to mention Desmond….but I will. Desmond turned the fail safe key thus being at the apex of the electromagnetic anomaly which brought about his time flashes. It’s my belief that it is not only Desmond that is affected by the anomaly, but that most of our Losties might be affected by it because of their proximity to The Swan.

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    At the time of the electromagnetic anomaly most of our Losties were at the beach (located by the picture of the fuselage). They state in Season 2 that The Swan about 1.5 mils from the beach. In contrast to where Jack, Kate, Sawyer, & Hurley are [at the Pala Ferry(the boat to the right)] as well as Sayid, Sun & Jin (the four toed statue) that is relatively close. I believe the possibility of the Losties at the beach experiencing the “side-effects” while trying to leave the island is much greater than the others. In turn it also makes it more dangerous. I think Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sawyer, Sun & Jin are the safest when it comes to leaving the island. (I think Sawyer is still on the island with whatever remaining 815ers are alive…..because according to Juliet, war is coming).
    Now I’m not saying this is without its flaws but I do think it’s on the right track.


    My own addition to this theory


    I think this theory is great and it would explain VERY well why the 06 are indeed the O6. This leads me to the reason Claire gives Aaron up. I know a few people may think that Claire dies on the island, but, after looking over this theory, I'm not so sure. I think its a possibility that the Losties find out about these side effects from Desmond. Claire was on the beach at the time of the hatch implosion so she would be at high risk from the side effects. The safest thing for her would be to stay on the island, but what mother would want her baby growing up in that place? This leads me to believe that Claire gives Aaron to Kate for his own safety. OK, so why isn't Aaron affected?? If you imagine a barrier around the island. There is a gap in this barrier that makes it safe to leave the island. On the way into the island all the Losties went through this barrier, so on departing, they experience side effects when they pass through. Aaron did not pass through this 'barrier' the same way that the other people did. I think this may be the reason he isn't affected. The other reason, as pointed out by Neeperkat, is that perhaps the side effects don't affect infants as it does adults.

    Wednesday, February 27, 2008

    Toni's Thoughts On Eggtown

    Here are my thoughts on Eggtown
    Aaron--- I think that Kates son Aaron is definitely Claires Aaron. So something must have happened to Claire for Kate to have him now. Now, onto Jack after the trial. He clearly doesn’t want to see the child, but why. My thought on this is that he knows he is Aarons uncle and cannot bear lying to the child for the rest of its life. He couldn’t ever tell Aaron who he really is without revealing that Kate is not his mother. But also, it would be strange raising Aaron with Kate, playing mummy and daddy to a child that is not their son, but is Jacks nephew. The O6 have all stuck to the same story since they left the island, I think the reason such a specific story was made up will become clear in time. But if Aaron was to find out when he was a bit older that Kate wasn’t his mother, the whole O6 story would be proven to be a lie and who knows what consequences there may be.

    On to Jacks story on the stand about how Kate was a hero and Kate saved all of the O6. Why? This seems to be the story they were given from the start as Kate mentions it to Jack about how he has told that story so many times. I wonder if this story may have been given to them with Kates trial in mind. Kate went back to the real world knowing full well that she was going to be arrested. She questioned Miles on whether he knew her and what she had done, he made it pretty clear that the world knew all about Kate. So why would she go back? To be arrested and more than likely to be imprisoned for most of her life. There has to be more to it. Maybe the O6 are needed for something in the future?

    The deal made at the trial was 10 years probation and Kate not being allowed to leave the state. Seems odd to me that her crimes were committed in Iowa but the trial was held in California. So its not her home state shes not allow leave, it’s a whole other state. Seems strange to me that its Cali shes not allowed to leave.

    My thought on Daniel, Charlotte and the cards. I’m not sure that telepathy is what he was doing. I think Dan may have suffered some kind of injury to his memory. I think he is doing some kind of memory training when he and Charlotte are playing with the cards. This may explain why he was crying in Confirmed Dead and didn’t know why. Maybe he had some connection with some one on the plane, but couldn’t quite remember who he is connected to or why he had the connection. He feels upset for some reason, for the loss of someone, but cant quite place it.

    Finally, Jin and Sun. When they are talking just before Jack returns to the beach with Daniel and Charlotte, Sun says "I want to raise MY baby at home in Korea." Jin replies "OUR baby". Sun looked away with a strange almost guilty look on her face. I don't think the baby is Jin's. I think that Sun conceived off the island during her affair. Maybe this could be explained by the time difference between on and off island events. Maybe Juliet actually thinks its Jin's and that the baby was conceived on the island, but she actually conceived off the island but the time difference makes it appear it was on island.

    My own personal question of the week, is how the hell is Kates mum still alive?? The doctors have been giving her 6 months to live for the last 4 years. Last time we saw her she was about dead. Has Dharma been using some of their own kinda magic on her????

    Tuesday, February 26, 2008

    Why Ben took Alex

    Sent in by Neeperkat

    So Ben and Annie grow up togther, get married and are living very happily, and are expecting a baby! They take a walk one day, and Annie goes into labour, early, and just like Bens mother, she dies, and so does the baby. Now other mothers are dying as well while pregnant, and Ben sees this as a chance to get some leadership. He knows about Danielle so he goes and takes Alex from her to take back to the others as his own child that Annie had given birth too, to show that he is special and the island and Jacob has allowed him to have a child. He does not dare call the child what he and Annie had been planning, to painful, so he keeps her name Alex.

    My own thoughts to add to this

    I LOVE this theory. Just to add to Kats thought, it seems possible to me that Danielles ship was brought to the island. As most people know, I have a lot of Widmore/Dharma conspiracy theories and it seems possible to me that this could be Bens doing.

    Thursday, February 14, 2008

    Kate not part of the Oceanic 6?

    Mas13's Theory on Kate not being a part of the Oceanic 6

    If Kate is sent back to the 'real world' surely she would be arrested for the crimes she has committed. After all, she is wanted for murder, amongst other crimes. If she goes back, she would be tried and convicted of her crimes. But we know that Kate does get off the island as we saw her in the season 3 finale with 'Yeti Jack' at the airport.

    Mas13 suggests that maybe she gets off the island another way. Maybe she is given another identity so she is protected from the law. If the law thinks she is dead and isn't looking for her, this would be fairly easy. This may be one explanation of why Jack chooses to meet her at the airport instead of her house or some other public place. If he is seen with her, her true identity may be found out.

    Tuesday, February 12, 2008

    Hurley isnt insane??

    Here is my own theory on Hurley and his 'imaginary friend', Dave.

    A few of you may have already heard part of my theory on the Shotglass podcast. Over the last few days a few more things have clicked into place and it has grown.

    Firstly, I think that Hurley is not insane. I think he has the ability to see spirits. We see him in the season 4 premiere talking to Charlie, who we know died in the season 3 finale. I also think that his imaginary friend Dave, is the spirit of Libby's dead husband, who we know is called David.

    I also think, Santa Rosa is an institute run by DHARMA for 'special cases' such as Hurley as we know another patient saw Charlie too. We also know that Lenny has heard 'the numbers'

    This leads me to Libby. In a Des flashback, we see that Libby gives Des her boat, bought by her dead husband David. If we put this on top of the fact that Charles Widmore was trying to get Des out of his daughter Pennys life. This leads me to believe that Libby works for DHARMA. We know that Widmore has a lot of connections in one way or another, so, I think Libby gave Des the boat, on behalf of Charles, to make sure Des ended up on that island away from his daughter.

    In the latest episode of lost, we see a fake plane crash. I also believe this has something to do with Charles Widmore. If we remember the quote "If you have enough money you can find anyone". How about, if you have enough money you can keep anyone hidden?

    I think Charles has paid out for this plane to be planted to keep people away from the island. We know that he had connections with Maxwell in the Find815 game. So would this make sense?

    Let me know what you think

    Toni