Here is another of my own theories, let me know what you think
As we know from the end of season 3 from Jack screaming at Kate and from the end of season 4 from Ben telling Jack, ALL of the 06 MUST return to the island to put right the ‘bad’ things that happened when they left.
After watching some old episodes of LOST I have found a few things that have really made me think, made me think that the O6 have to not only go back to the island, but go back to the time of the crash.
First thing: In ‘Solitary’ (Season 1 Episode 9) when Sayid is being held captive by Danielle, he says Nadia is dead.
Danielle: But Nadia, you left her too?
Sayid: She wasn’t on the plane. She’s dead… because of me.
Now we all know Nadia is not dead. When Sayid flew from Sydney, he was under the impression that Nadia was alive and well in L.A working for a pharmaceutical company.
Second thing: In ‘All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues’ (Season 1 Episode 11) When Jack and Kate are out looking for Charlie and Claire, this is part of the conversation…
Jack: I’m not letting him (Ethan) do this.
Kate: Not letting him?
Jack: Not again.
Now what is he talking about? I think that members of the O6 are having faint momentary memories from things they know now in the future. I think Sayid is subconsciously aware that Nadia is dead in the future but he doesn’t fully remember. He is getting his memory from the future mixed up with his present memories.
As for Jacks little rant, again I think he is faintly remembering Ethan kidnapping Claire and Charlie first time round and is saying that he wont let him (Ethan) do it again, which is also why he is so intent on finding Ethan quickly…. He knows the outcome!
I think that the O6 must go back in time to the time of the crash, this is why all of them have to go back. They must travel back in time and course correct (not leave the island) to avoid the ‘bad’ things happening when they leave. I also think this is how Ben will get his place back on the island. If the O6 DO go back, then Ben will still be on the island. Ben hasn’t told Jack he must go back for the islands well being, he has told him so that it would be like he never turned the frozen donkey wheel in the first place.
Toni
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Spoilers WILL NOT be posted here.
So get your thinking caps on people, get those ideas sent in.
All crazy ideas welcome!
Love all you Dharmaholics madly
Toni and Niki
Showing posts with label Kate. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Kate. Show all posts
Wednesday, July 16, 2008
Wednesday, February 27, 2008
Toni's Thoughts On Eggtown
Here are my thoughts on Eggtown
Aaron--- I think that Kates son Aaron is definitely Claires Aaron. So something must have happened to Claire for Kate to have him now. Now, onto Jack after the trial. He clearly doesn’t want to see the child, but why. My thought on this is that he knows he is Aarons uncle and cannot bear lying to the child for the rest of its life. He couldn’t ever tell Aaron who he really is without revealing that Kate is not his mother. But also, it would be strange raising Aaron with Kate, playing mummy and daddy to a child that is not their son, but is Jacks nephew. The O6 have all stuck to the same story since they left the island, I think the reason such a specific story was made up will become clear in time. But if Aaron was to find out when he was a bit older that Kate wasn’t his mother, the whole O6 story would be proven to be a lie and who knows what consequences there may be.
On to Jacks story on the stand about how Kate was a hero and Kate saved all of the O6. Why? This seems to be the story they were given from the start as Kate mentions it to Jack about how he has told that story so many times. I wonder if this story may have been given to them with Kates trial in mind. Kate went back to the real world knowing full well that she was going to be arrested. She questioned Miles on whether he knew her and what she had done, he made it pretty clear that the world knew all about Kate. So why would she go back? To be arrested and more than likely to be imprisoned for most of her life. There has to be more to it. Maybe the O6 are needed for something in the future?
The deal made at the trial was 10 years probation and Kate not being allowed to leave the state. Seems odd to me that her crimes were committed in Iowa but the trial was held in California. So its not her home state shes not allow leave, it’s a whole other state. Seems strange to me that its Cali shes not allowed to leave.
My thought on Daniel, Charlotte and the cards. I’m not sure that telepathy is what he was doing. I think Dan may have suffered some kind of injury to his memory. I think he is doing some kind of memory training when he and Charlotte are playing with the cards. This may explain why he was crying in Confirmed Dead and didn’t know why. Maybe he had some connection with some one on the plane, but couldn’t quite remember who he is connected to or why he had the connection. He feels upset for some reason, for the loss of someone, but cant quite place it.
Finally, Jin and Sun. When they are talking just before Jack returns to the beach with Daniel and Charlotte, Sun says "I want to raise MY baby at home in Korea." Jin replies "OUR baby". Sun looked away with a strange almost guilty look on her face. I don't think the baby is Jin's. I think that Sun conceived off the island during her affair. Maybe this could be explained by the time difference between on and off island events. Maybe Juliet actually thinks its Jin's and that the baby was conceived on the island, but she actually conceived off the island but the time difference makes it appear it was on island.
My own personal question of the week, is how the hell is Kates mum still alive?? The doctors have been giving her 6 months to live for the last 4 years. Last time we saw her she was about dead. Has Dharma been using some of their own kinda magic on her????
Aaron--- I think that Kates son Aaron is definitely Claires Aaron. So something must have happened to Claire for Kate to have him now. Now, onto Jack after the trial. He clearly doesn’t want to see the child, but why. My thought on this is that he knows he is Aarons uncle and cannot bear lying to the child for the rest of its life. He couldn’t ever tell Aaron who he really is without revealing that Kate is not his mother. But also, it would be strange raising Aaron with Kate, playing mummy and daddy to a child that is not their son, but is Jacks nephew. The O6 have all stuck to the same story since they left the island, I think the reason such a specific story was made up will become clear in time. But if Aaron was to find out when he was a bit older that Kate wasn’t his mother, the whole O6 story would be proven to be a lie and who knows what consequences there may be.
On to Jacks story on the stand about how Kate was a hero and Kate saved all of the O6. Why? This seems to be the story they were given from the start as Kate mentions it to Jack about how he has told that story so many times. I wonder if this story may have been given to them with Kates trial in mind. Kate went back to the real world knowing full well that she was going to be arrested. She questioned Miles on whether he knew her and what she had done, he made it pretty clear that the world knew all about Kate. So why would she go back? To be arrested and more than likely to be imprisoned for most of her life. There has to be more to it. Maybe the O6 are needed for something in the future?
The deal made at the trial was 10 years probation and Kate not being allowed to leave the state. Seems odd to me that her crimes were committed in Iowa but the trial was held in California. So its not her home state shes not allow leave, it’s a whole other state. Seems strange to me that its Cali shes not allowed to leave.
My thought on Daniel, Charlotte and the cards. I’m not sure that telepathy is what he was doing. I think Dan may have suffered some kind of injury to his memory. I think he is doing some kind of memory training when he and Charlotte are playing with the cards. This may explain why he was crying in Confirmed Dead and didn’t know why. Maybe he had some connection with some one on the plane, but couldn’t quite remember who he is connected to or why he had the connection. He feels upset for some reason, for the loss of someone, but cant quite place it.
Finally, Jin and Sun. When they are talking just before Jack returns to the beach with Daniel and Charlotte, Sun says "I want to raise MY baby at home in Korea." Jin replies "OUR baby". Sun looked away with a strange almost guilty look on her face. I don't think the baby is Jin's. I think that Sun conceived off the island during her affair. Maybe this could be explained by the time difference between on and off island events. Maybe Juliet actually thinks its Jin's and that the baby was conceived on the island, but she actually conceived off the island but the time difference makes it appear it was on island.
My own personal question of the week, is how the hell is Kates mum still alive?? The doctors have been giving her 6 months to live for the last 4 years. Last time we saw her she was about dead. Has Dharma been using some of their own kinda magic on her????
Tuesday, February 19, 2008
Everyone is on the island for a specific reason???
Its not just Niki that has the crazy ass thoughts round here. Here is one from Toni about how and why people are on the island of doom
I must also credit Niki for help with this theory,as she is my inspiration for crazy ass thoughts
Just to let you know, I believe that Dharma/Widmore/Maxwell/Paik are all connected and working together. This might help make sense of my crazy ass thoughts.
I think maybe everyone on the island was brought there for a reason.
Lets start with Jackbob. - I think its fairly obvious why Jack is on the island, Ben needed a surgeon to remove the tumor on his spine. Its clear Ben can leave the island, but if he has people looking for him, people that wish to do him harm, then he would be pretty reluctant to leave don't you think. Jack shouldn't have been on 815, this was because of the clearance for his fathers coffin. But for some reason he was allowed on the plane. Strange huh??
Ok, Kate. - I think Kate was sent to the island to prevent her being sent to prison for the crimes she committed. We know the man she believed to be her father was in the US army, he was in Iraq at the same time Kelvin was. We know Kelvin later worked for Dharma. Maybe through Kelvin and he father, she found her way to the island.
Sawyer - I believe Sawyer sent to the island to rid him of the demons that haunted him. Anthony Cooper to be specific. Just to add more craziness to this, I think the Talbot family in Lost,(Cooper was engaged to Mrs Talbot. Peter Talbot, her son, is presumed to have been killed by Cooper) is the same family Talbot in 815 comes from. I think that Cooper was brought to the island by someone to be killed. Firstly, John Locke wouldn't kill him so Alpert showed Locke the file on Sawyer, those hostiles are sneaky little buggers. So then Sawyer finds out this is the man that caused the death of both his parents, gets a bit crazy and kills him. Thats like 3 birds, one stone. Talbot family is avenged, Sawyer gets his man, Locke appears worthy to the Others.
Right, onto Locke. - John Locke was crippled 4 years before the crash, by his father pushing him out of a window. Bit harsh if you ask me! Locke has always appeared to have some sort of connection with the island and has always know this is not just any old island. I think Locke was brought to the island because of his spirituality and his worthiness of being a leader. I think we will come to see that when Ben leaves the island, Locke will take over his position as leader, or, if anything happens to Ben, he will become full-time leader. I also think he was brought to test the healing abilities of the island.
Sayid - Most of the reason Sayid is on the island is mentioned in my last theory. I think Sayid was brought to be a killer. Sayid is a good man, but has done some bad things. We know that Sayid will do anything to protect those he loves. So if Ben knows that Dharma/Widmore had something to do with Nadias death, why not get him to the island to do a light spot of murdering, torturing and general bad ass stuff?
Jin and Sun - I have 2 thoughts on this. I think they were brought to see if a sterile man could get his wife pregnant, again testing the islands abilities. Also, Mr Paik never approved of Sun marrying Jin. I think Paik gave Jin the watch to deliver to LA to get him on the island, thinking that Sun would leave him at the airport, which she almost did.
Claire next. - We know why Claire was on 815 so I wont go into this too much. Hate to cover old ground and all that. I believe Malkin made her get on 815, knowing that the plane would crash and she would be forced to raise Aaron herself. I don't really have any thoughts as to why Aaron MUST be raised by Claire. Hey, maybe he is the anti-christ and he needs Claire to save him. Stranger things happen in lost!
Hurley - Again, some of my thoughts on Hurley have been covered in a previous post. He was in Santa Rosa, heard the numbers, played them on the lottery, bad stuff starts to happen. Hurley gets on a plane goes to Aussie, finds out the numbers are WAY bad. i think Hurley is on the island so he doesn't start looking into the reason behind the numbers.
Rose and Bernard. - I think the only reason behind this, is that Rose had cancer. They wanted to see if she could be cured by the island.
Charlie. - Charlie is a tough one. He was saved by the island but when he tried to leave, he died.
Now onto dead characters. Mr Eko, Ana Lucia, Libby, Boone, Shannon, Paulo, Nikki. All these people served no purpose to the island, hence they are all now dead. Although, maybe Libby was brought to the island to die? After all I do believe she is in league with the Dharma devil.
I know a lot of you will think some of this is far-fetched, but hey, aren't a lot of theories?? Thats why its called a theory.
I must also credit Niki for help with this theory,as she is my inspiration for crazy ass thoughts
Just to let you know, I believe that Dharma/Widmore/Maxwell/Paik are all connected and working together. This might help make sense of my crazy ass thoughts.
I think maybe everyone on the island was brought there for a reason.
Lets start with Jackbob. - I think its fairly obvious why Jack is on the island, Ben needed a surgeon to remove the tumor on his spine. Its clear Ben can leave the island, but if he has people looking for him, people that wish to do him harm, then he would be pretty reluctant to leave don't you think. Jack shouldn't have been on 815, this was because of the clearance for his fathers coffin. But for some reason he was allowed on the plane. Strange huh??
Ok, Kate. - I think Kate was sent to the island to prevent her being sent to prison for the crimes she committed. We know the man she believed to be her father was in the US army, he was in Iraq at the same time Kelvin was. We know Kelvin later worked for Dharma. Maybe through Kelvin and he father, she found her way to the island.
Sawyer - I believe Sawyer sent to the island to rid him of the demons that haunted him. Anthony Cooper to be specific. Just to add more craziness to this, I think the Talbot family in Lost,(Cooper was engaged to Mrs Talbot. Peter Talbot, her son, is presumed to have been killed by Cooper) is the same family Talbot in 815 comes from. I think that Cooper was brought to the island by someone to be killed. Firstly, John Locke wouldn't kill him so Alpert showed Locke the file on Sawyer, those hostiles are sneaky little buggers. So then Sawyer finds out this is the man that caused the death of both his parents, gets a bit crazy and kills him. Thats like 3 birds, one stone. Talbot family is avenged, Sawyer gets his man, Locke appears worthy to the Others.
Right, onto Locke. - John Locke was crippled 4 years before the crash, by his father pushing him out of a window. Bit harsh if you ask me! Locke has always appeared to have some sort of connection with the island and has always know this is not just any old island. I think Locke was brought to the island because of his spirituality and his worthiness of being a leader. I think we will come to see that when Ben leaves the island, Locke will take over his position as leader, or, if anything happens to Ben, he will become full-time leader. I also think he was brought to test the healing abilities of the island.
Sayid - Most of the reason Sayid is on the island is mentioned in my last theory. I think Sayid was brought to be a killer. Sayid is a good man, but has done some bad things. We know that Sayid will do anything to protect those he loves. So if Ben knows that Dharma/Widmore had something to do with Nadias death, why not get him to the island to do a light spot of murdering, torturing and general bad ass stuff?
Jin and Sun - I have 2 thoughts on this. I think they were brought to see if a sterile man could get his wife pregnant, again testing the islands abilities. Also, Mr Paik never approved of Sun marrying Jin. I think Paik gave Jin the watch to deliver to LA to get him on the island, thinking that Sun would leave him at the airport, which she almost did.
Claire next. - We know why Claire was on 815 so I wont go into this too much. Hate to cover old ground and all that. I believe Malkin made her get on 815, knowing that the plane would crash and she would be forced to raise Aaron herself. I don't really have any thoughts as to why Aaron MUST be raised by Claire. Hey, maybe he is the anti-christ and he needs Claire to save him. Stranger things happen in lost!
Hurley - Again, some of my thoughts on Hurley have been covered in a previous post. He was in Santa Rosa, heard the numbers, played them on the lottery, bad stuff starts to happen. Hurley gets on a plane goes to Aussie, finds out the numbers are WAY bad. i think Hurley is on the island so he doesn't start looking into the reason behind the numbers.
Rose and Bernard. - I think the only reason behind this, is that Rose had cancer. They wanted to see if she could be cured by the island.
Charlie. - Charlie is a tough one. He was saved by the island but when he tried to leave, he died.
Now onto dead characters. Mr Eko, Ana Lucia, Libby, Boone, Shannon, Paulo, Nikki. All these people served no purpose to the island, hence they are all now dead. Although, maybe Libby was brought to the island to die? After all I do believe she is in league with the Dharma devil.
I know a lot of you will think some of this is far-fetched, but hey, aren't a lot of theories?? Thats why its called a theory.
Thursday, February 14, 2008
Kate not part of the Oceanic 6?
Mas13's Theory on Kate not being a part of the Oceanic 6
If Kate is sent back to the 'real world' surely she would be arrested for the crimes she has committed. After all, she is wanted for murder, amongst other crimes. If she goes back, she would be tried and convicted of her crimes. But we know that Kate does get off the island as we saw her in the season 3 finale with 'Yeti Jack' at the airport.
Mas13 suggests that maybe she gets off the island another way. Maybe she is given another identity so she is protected from the law. If the law thinks she is dead and isn't looking for her, this would be fairly easy. This may be one explanation of why Jack chooses to meet her at the airport instead of her house or some other public place. If he is seen with her, her true identity may be found out.
If Kate is sent back to the 'real world' surely she would be arrested for the crimes she has committed. After all, she is wanted for murder, amongst other crimes. If she goes back, she would be tried and convicted of her crimes. But we know that Kate does get off the island as we saw her in the season 3 finale with 'Yeti Jack' at the airport.
Mas13 suggests that maybe she gets off the island another way. Maybe she is given another identity so she is protected from the law. If the law thinks she is dead and isn't looking for her, this would be fairly easy. This may be one explanation of why Jack chooses to meet her at the airport instead of her house or some other public place. If he is seen with her, her true identity may be found out.
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