SMOKEY IS THE ISLAND DEAD

I really think that SMOKEY is THE ISLAND DEAD....
The latest screencaps show what looks like a head and an arm pulling the mercenary on the ground backwards....

I BELIEVE that the secret door that Ben had in his WARDROBE(Narnia reference LOL)
was a TOMB OF THE DEAD. Judging by the hieroglyphics on the door it has to be a TOMB of some kind...Very egyptian...


NIKI

The Shape Of Things To Come

My own thoughts on this weeks AMAZING episode

First thought is obviously Mr Smokie…. I think Ben is definitely controlling him or at least has the ability to summon him. I also think this is the reason smokie never put Locke in real danger, it never attacked him…..just tried to take him. I think this was Ben’s first attempt at getting Locke to join him. When this failed he went in to the Losties camp as ‘Henry Gale’. My other thought is about the visions Mr Eko had, I think these may have been somehow programmed into smokie by Ben. Remember he knows everything about everyone. This may been a way for Ben to make Eko unafraid of Smokie. I also think that The Tempest station has a lot to do with smokie…. I’m not sure what exactly yet, but if we remember that the gas was supposed to be released onto the island via tunnels…and it was one of those tunnels that smokie tried to drag Locke into. I’m thinking maybe smokie is a product of the Tempest.

Second thoughts are on Widmore and Ben…… I’m still sure that WIDMORE is the bad guy and Ben is a good guy. When Widmore said the island was his, it made me think that perhaps Widmore/Hanso are the same family or related in some way. I think Ben cant kill Widmore as Widmore has the money Ben needs to keep the island going. Widmore cant kill Ben as he knows where the island is and he doesn’t. I think without really wanting to, they are working together. Ben needs Widmores money and Widmore needs Ben’s knowledge of the island. I really think that Ben is still the good guy, all he wants to do is stop the island being exploited. Remember, Ben has a special bond with the island, it’s the only place he has seen his mother, its where he made his best friend in the world, so there is no reason for him to want any harm to come to the island. I don’t actually think that Ben will go ahead and have Penny killed. I think what he said about not killing innocents is what he means. I don’t think for a second he is evil enough to kill Penny out of revenge for Alex.

Now on to Doctor Ray…. This was a bit strange for me. As we know, in the Economist, when Regina sent the rocket to the island, the island was 31 minutes behind the freighter, BUT, when Doctor Ray is washed up on the shore, he is still fine on the freighter. This would mean, at THAT time, the freighter is behind the island. This kinda doesn’t make any sense to me at all.

Onto the whole Sayid/Nadia/Ben situation…. I know A LOT of people think that Ben has had Nadia killed to get Sayid on his side. I DON’T. Ben knows what it’s like to lose the only person you love, I don’t think he would put that pain on Sayid, not even if it was 100% for his own benefit. I am still gonna stand by my theory that Sayid is working for Ben because Widmore had Nadia killed, or perhaps someone involved with Widmore killed her. I think Ben has just seen this as an opportunity to manipulate Sayid into doing his dirty work. But I also think that Sayid will now want to wipe out everyone involved with Widmore.

Danielle…. This is more what I am hoping will happen. I want to see hre come back and kick some Widmore ass for Alex’s death. I think she is a tough old bird and I really hope she isn’t dead, we need to see more of her story.

ULTIMATE CRAZY ASS THEORY BY JIM("THE SHIT") AND NIKI

OK...So JIM "the Shit" and I just finished watching "The Shape of Things to Come"...

Jim and I put our heads together and came up with A CRAZY ASS THOUGHT!!!

THE ISLAND IS A SPACE SHIP!

The island is actually a space ship....RICHARD and some of the original HOSTILES are in fact, extraterrestrials!!!!
This would exlplain WHY Richard DOES NOT AGE....Also SMOKEY is a product of the extraterrestrials....The aliens original mission was to observe human life(HENCE THE STATIONS THAT WE SEE ON THE ISLAND)...However, Hanso took over the island and used it to research the unique PROPERTIES of it! The only way to get the island back was to have THE PURGE....This was BEN'S purpose....Richard chose BEN to execute "THE PURGE"... Richard then tells BEN eventually what exactly they are there for...Richard introduces BEN to Jacob AND tells BEN how to control SMOKEY...

Juliet is one such subject to be examined...Plus Juliet was brought there to possibly examine the deaths involved with pregnancies...could these deaths be caused by the improper cross-breeding of aliens and humans?

We know that humans HEAL rather quickly on the island...Another advantage of living on top of a space ship!

This possible time travel effect is caused from the wormhole OR path that allowed the space ship to travel to and from in the first place...

THIS IS A WONDERFUL CRAZY ASS THOUGHT....I LOVE IT! I WANT TO THANK JIM "THE SHIT" FOR HELPING ME COME UP WITH THIS ONE DURING MY STATE OF "JACK-FACE-NESS"!

NIKI

YOU GUYS REMEMBER THIS THEORY OF MINE?

After seeing BEN in tonights "The Shape of Things To Come" I got so excited thinking of one of my THEORIES!

This was posted on our BLOG in February!
ENJOY!

Wednesday, February 27, 2008
MASSIVE CRAZY ASS THOUGHT about BEN and The Island.....BY NIKI

Crazy ass thoughts: THE Economist

I have mad respect for Ben now. He’s an evil mastermind in more ways than one. Here’s what I believe…

Ben is in charge of many secret operatives ”others”. Richard was not born on that island nor was anyone else. They all came about when some sort of syndicate (corporations with money) started using the island for hiding operatives(spies/assassins)… Mangus Hanso discovered the island long ago…with the black rock.


Dharma (ran by Hanso) set up experiments and a housing compound on the island. With widmore/Maxwell eventually taking over the hanso foundation- they decided to use the island as a testing facility…The dharma initiative came to the island and using force---put out Richard and the others..
These operatives Richard and the Others will travel off island to assasinate then when it comes time to dissapear they come back on island.
Ben is Richard and the Others chance to take over the housing compound and get back the island for their purpose and not that of reaserch. Ben is successful with the purge. The experimental stations go without being used for sometime.

Ben becomes their superior. He travels with Richard at times to go off island to recruit.
This is why Ben has his secret stash at his others house on the island full of clothes, passports and currency. The operatives were given housing and the comforts of home. However, they could not reproduce and this caused problems. Children could not be brought up and trained to become operatives also. This is the reason that Juliet was brought to the island. They wanted to have and raise cildren under their training so that going off island would not be an option as far as recruiting… Think about it…If you were an assassin…what would be the perfect way to disappear? To go to the island that no one can find…
We have proof of intelligence operations…
The files on the losties…The tests….(locke killing his father)

So originally…Ben was the original operatives chance to get the island back…Hanso/Dharma wanted the island for scientific studies…But Maxwell/widmore took over Dharma and then had to assassinate the Dharma folk on the island. Richard used Ben for this purpose. Some of these operatives off island could have been responsible for the assisnation on Hanso.
LETS LOOK AT THE 815 FACTOR--------------------------
815 was set up to crash on that island. Everyone needed was set up to be on that plane…
Jack: he went looking for his father--had to id his fathers corpse? And fly the body back home--on815
Kate: she was turned in by farmer who eventually received large reward money…she had to be expedited back to US on 815
Michael: Wife dies(prolly from the hands of BENS assassins) from a blood disease..He must take WALT and fly back to US on 815
Sawyer: Killed the wrong man who conned his parents…And was kicked out of Australia…Flies back home on 815..
Locke: travels to Australia for walkabout out of deep depression caused by his father cooper… He is turned away because of his handicap and flies home on 815.
Hurley: I s troubled by the numbers .. Flies to Australia to find the originator of the numbers…flies back home on 815.
Sun and Jin: Jin was supposed to deliver a watch for mr paik to LA. Sun was going to bail but didn’t. I believe that paik set up the affair sun had and was hoping she would leave before the 815 trip..however she changed her mind and boarded 815 with jin.
Claire: was set up by psychic to go to LA to meet her baby’s adoption parents…
Sayid: is set up by cia who tells him that nadia is in California. Working for a pharmaseudical company(prolly widmore)…

Ben cannot leave the island to get his tumor operated on because of his job and many aliases…So he needs JACK.
Ben needs an operative with previous intelligence and training to help with any off isand issues and or assassinations….So he needs Sayid.
Ben needs Sun as a hostage in order to continue getting submarines and transportation vehicles that are built by paik industries…So he needs sun.
Ben needs Locke to see if he CAN continue bens TASK of taking care of the secret of the island and managing the others.


So we know now that Sayid as been recruited by BEN to kill ppl on his LIST….If Sayid fails with his mission…then Ben will kill or have THE FOLLOWING killed --- Kate Jack Hurley and the rest of the losties left on the island….

Ben’ s enemy is Abbadon…Elsa works for Abaddon just as Naomi did. Does kate work for Abbadon in the future???
Maybe Kate’s “he’s wondering where I am “ statement was just like Elsa’s way of being “on call” for Abbadon…hmmmm…maybe kate was on her way to an abbadon meeting….


Abbadon is trying to find island of assassins to capture and prosecute..

***Now from EGGTOWN***

So MILES wants 3.2 million from BEN…Why doesn’t Kate question Miles about this? My CRAZY ASS THOUGHTS are that Miles really knows about Ben and his authority and power over secret operatives….Ben’s aliases and Ben’s access to monies which he probably has in swiss bank accounts that were deposited there by people that paid for assassinations. This is why Dean Moriarty’s passport was for Switzerland. This is why Miles wanted to know where Ben’s house was. He wanted to get info so he could try to obtain the money from the account if he didn’t find Ben…He needed the name on the passport…..or an account number….Wonder if that account number is 4815162342???

Not so much a theory...Just thoughts

About who shot Karl and Danielle

Like a lot of people I'm torn between who shot Karl and Danielle.

The way I see it there are 2 possible options, Ben or The Freighties.

Ben......

Ben's motive for having them both killed is that a) He doesn't want ANYONE to be involved in Alex's life other than himself. If both Karl and Danielle are dead, the only person Alex will have to turn to is him. b) He doesn't want Karl to get Alex pregnant. My bigger thought on why it was Ben is this.... He said that the temple was only for 'The Others' NOT for the Losties to hide away from anyone who may be out to harm them. Danielle is clearly not 'an other' Karl... well I don't think that Ben would want to protect him in any way at all. So why would he suggest that Danielle and Karl take her there?

The Freighties......

The Freighties is another obvious one. If the freighties wanted to get to Ben, what would be the easiest way of getting him oput of hiding? Kidnap his 'daughter'. They have no need for Danielle or Karl so just shoot them both...less baggage. We know that Frank has been sent on some kind of mission, which gives us the idea that maybe his mission is to go and get Alex.


I really am torn as to who has done this. I'm more inclined to say Ben had ordered 'The Others' to do it.

But as we are talking about LOST, there is always the possibility that it's SOMEONE ELSE who ordered it.

NOTLOST's theory on Kelvin/Libby/Desmond connection with Ben

Having passed the break rewatching my favorite episodes of season 2,something keeps getting to me about how Des ends up on the island..

1...Des meets libby at the airport and after a short conversation is willing to hand over her boat to this stranger..
She mentions that her husband David got sick and died a month ago...im thinking Libby was on the island before her ''accidental'' meeting with Des and is an agent of Bens..The Elizabeth was rigged to make its way to the island on purpose...

2...As a follow on from that point i also think Kelvin was hired by Ben....He tells Des he joined Dharma after he left the army which was after the gulf war in 1991...But Dharma were purged from the island well before that..
I think that Ben hired Kelvin to make sure that Des gets trapped in the Swan pushing the button and to bail on him when Des is totally convinced of its importance..He told Kelvin that Des will arrive on the boat and gave him the co-ordinates to leave (like michael) hence leaving Des trapped in the hatch indefinately...

3...Now for the bit Im not sure about..If Ben is behind all this it would mean he's working with Widmore....

Its not much i know but i thought id get it down while its fresh in my mind!! any thoughts?

Frank, Mike and the Captain

Its been a while since my last theory posting session, so I thought I would ease back into it with a short, easy theory on Michael, Frank and Captain Gault.

When Michael first boards the freighter, Miles says that he isn't who he says he is. This seemed at first like an off-hand comment by Miles, but it soon got me to thinking, especially after the conversation between Mike and Frank.

Micael is of no importance on the boat, so it seemed VERY strange to me that Frank would start telling him details of how someone has planted a fake 815. But it was his last comment on the possibility of finding survivors that struck me as most strange.

Frank knew the manifest inside out, he said so himself when he informed everyone that Juliet wasn't on the flight. I think he knows that Mike WAS on flight 815. When the freighties get to the island and find survivors, NONE of them seem genuinely surprised to find that so many people have survived a plane crash, not only ANY plane crash, but a plane that was found under the sea. This is a point that is made by Sayid to Miles, who repiled with his usual sarcasm and wit.

To further this thought, when Sayid tells Captain Gault that Mike is in fact a spy for Ben, he doesn't seem the SLIGHTEST bit surprised. This also leads me to think that Frank knows Mike was on flight 815 and has told the captain.

Doc Jensen from EW has a TIME THEORY...(and also he agrees with me that BEN is REALLY BEHIND ALL THIS FAKE WRECKAGE!)

By Jeff Jensen from EW.com

The Oceanic 815 cover-up is just plain creepy.
According to Mr. Friendly, Charles Widmore planted the Oceanic 815 wreckage in the Sunda Trench to fool the world into thinking that all the passengers are dead. He even went so far as to dig up a cemetery in Thailand to get himself a couple hundred corpses! Like I said: creepy. I also think it's a lie. I totally think Widmore is a bad guy, but I think Ben is hiding the true nature of the billionaire Brit's ambition. I'm betting that the man behind the Oceanic 815 cover-up is, in fact, Ben himself, and that he had Mr. Friendly and some other Others running wreckage-planting missions over a long period of time using the Dharma sub and surplus Dharma Initiative corpses from The Purge.

Michael's suicide immunity has far-reaching implications.
In the tease he gave us for this episode, executive producer Damon Lindelof told us ''Meet Kevin Johnson'' would explain why flash-forward Grizzly Jack couldn't jump from the bridge in last year's season finale. As promised, the episode supplied an answer, though we had to puzzle it out for ourselves. According to Mr. Friendly (whose appearance would rank No. 4 on my Cool Bits list if I went that far), the reason why Michael couldn't kill himself is that the Island wouldn't let him; apparently, Twilight Zone isle has influence beyond itself, too. Similarly, we can surmise that the Island refused to allow Jack to jump by calling him away from the edge with a car crash that required his heroic intervention. Of course, this raises the question ''Why?'' The most likely answer is suggested by the theorizing of Lost fans like J. Wood of powells.com, who for quite some time has advocated the idea that the Island is a place where past, present, and future happen all at once. A slightly different articulation of the same idea would be this: The Island is a place where the future has already happened. Hence, Jack and Michael can't kill themselves because they are needed to fulfill their roles in the Island's future drama — parts that, in a sense, have already been played out. Have I just totally confused you? Then let me clarify with my next cool bit...

The mystery of Walt became 76 percent more intriguing.
I assumed we would learn Michael and his son returned to the Island together. Wrong! And I'm glad I'm wrong, because it makes the whole business of Tall Island Walt even more provocative. If you recall, we saw in last year's finale how an adolescent Walt beckoned left-for-dead Locke out of the Dharma mass grave. Was he a ghost? Was he corporeal? How did he get so big? Here's my prediction: Ultimately, some or all of the Oceanic 6 will try returning to the Island in the flash-forward future, and they're going to bring Walt with them. But when they pass through the electromagnetic anomaly, they're going to arrive at a point in the Island's past, perhaps even prior to the crash of Oceanic 815. Yes, folks, I am suggesting that here in the Island present, while Jack and the castaways are clashing with the freighter folk, flash-forward Jack and company are also on the Island, too. They could be hiding; after all, they can't interact with their past selves, as that could screw up the timeline or create some kind of time-space catastrophe (although Walt would be exempt, as his past self is no longer on the Island). Then again, maybe Island magic precludes them from interacting with their castaway lives. Perhaps they share a separate, parallel existence with their old Island selves. Could this explain The Whispers? Could these voices belong to the flash-forward characters returned to the Island, watching and commenting on past drama? If my theory is correct, then here's my prediction for the season finale: In the last scene, exactly one minute after the Oceanic 6 departs from the Island, the flash-forward Oceanic 6, released from the restrictions of Island magic, will step out of the jungle and greet the remaining castaways. I'll leave it to Hurley to make the inevitable quip:

''Man, I thought they would never leave.''

As for me, I gotta scram. I'll be back next week. In the meantime, you can hit me at JeffJensenEW@aol.com.

Namaste!
Doc J